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you can't have lots of people around, especially if you're protecting or covering a cia facility. lots of factors here. do you think there was any way to have protected him short of him not having gone to benghazi that day? >> yes, i believe there was, and i in our report listed the shortcomings that may well have helped in that regard. this is only a guess. chris was a wonderful ambassador. chris worked for me for two years. i admired his work. he had absolutely the right concept. americans need to get out and talk to people and understand what things are happening in these countries overseas. >> yeah, i was a peace corps volunteer, too, and i think it's wonderful when these guys and women become diplomats because they don't hide in the compound and eat hamburgers and watch super bowls. they get out and meet people. you know what i mean. he wasn't a striped pants guy. i've got david corn here of "mother jones." he and i were talking, mr. ambassador. >> i have a question for you, mr. ambassador. you put out a thorough report. unclassified version. there was also a classified versi
you can't have lots of people around, especially if you're protecting or covering a cia facility. lots of factors here. do you think there was any way to have protected him short of him not having gone to benghazi that day? >> yes, i believe there was, and i in our report listed the shortcomings that may well have helped in that regard. this is only a guess. chris was a wonderful ambassador. chris worked for me for two years. i admired his work. he had absolutely the right concept....
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ryan fogle was arrested by russian authorities this week accused of being a cia spy and trying to recruit a russian terrorism agent. joining me is a former spy, peter ernest. he's now the executive director of the international spy museum in washington, which sounds like a very interesting job. welcome to you, peter. thank you for being here. >> thank you for asking me. let's talk about what's going on. the russians laid out fogle's alleged spy kit. it didn't look that impressive. cheap looking which is. a road map. an old cell phone. come on is that all it takes? >> i would say don't be too deceived by the paraphernalia that was laid out. moscow is a tough place to operate. we learned how to do it in cold war. we reverted to a lot of basic trade craft. hi-tech stuff can be broken into. it may look like keystone cops but can be very useful in the kind of situations of handling an agent in moscow. >> all right. we learned that mr. fogle was released to the u.s. embassy. it happened pretty quickly. does that surprise you in >> no, it didn't. as you recall, when we rounded up the ten russian
ryan fogle was arrested by russian authorities this week accused of being a cia spy and trying to recruit a russian terrorism agent. joining me is a former spy, peter ernest. he's now the executive director of the international spy museum in washington, which sounds like a very interesting job. welcome to you, peter. thank you for being here. >> thank you for asking me. let's talk about what's going on. the russians laid out fogle's alleged spy kit. it didn't look that impressive. cheap...
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the cia never asked them to kill the story. very important to know. for five days the ap sat on the story, they took care of their asset. they said it's safe to run the story. they ran it. they needed an extra day. they wanted their pr plan to go in place. now, what happens is, other news organizations is going to be less trusting of the government. >> but, ron is right. it extends worldwide. we're the standard bearer of freedom of the press. suppressing information, they'll look to the united states, oh, well, president obama is doing that to their press we can do it, too. ron is absolutely right. look, we're going too take your logs out, it's all about relationship and trust. and if those sources say, hey, i'm not going to do this because in fear of possible investigation or what have you, that's a problem for us to disseminate fact chul information. >> one of the reasons the ap should have been consulted. i think there's a strong case to be made that the white house or the justice department could have gone to a court and had them adjudicate it as
the cia never asked them to kill the story. very important to know. for five days the ap sat on the story, they took care of their asset. they said it's safe to run the story. they ran it. they needed an extra day. they wanted their pr plan to go in place. now, what happens is, other news organizations is going to be less trusting of the government. >> but, ron is right. it extends worldwide. we're the standard bearer of freedom of the press. suppressing information, they'll look to the...
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i don't know if the ap went to the cia or the cia went to the ap, it's not material. the government said that she this is dangerous. please don't put this information out. the ap as news organizations do, held off on this story. right? the cia never asked them to kill the story. that's very important to know. for five days the ap sat on the story, they took care of their asset. the cia said that it's safe to run the story. a few hours later it, they said we need an extra day because we want to put out a press release. now, what happens is, other news organizations is going to be less trusting of the government. >> but, ron is right. it extends worldwide. we are the standard bearer of freedom of the press. and then you have these nations suppressing information, they'll look to the united states saying, oh, well, president obama is doing that to their press we can do it, too. ron is absolutely right. if you can start saying, look, we're going too take your logs out, it's all about relationship and trust. and if those sources say, hey, i'm not going to do this because i
i don't know if the ap went to the cia or the cia went to the ap, it's not material. the government said that she this is dangerous. please don't put this information out. the ap as news organizations do, held off on this story. right? the cia never asked them to kill the story. that's very important to know. for five days the ap sat on the story, they took care of their asset. the cia said that it's safe to run the story. a few hours later it, they said we need an extra day because we want to...
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is the cia trying to cover it. we also now know that one of the two facilities attacked was a cia annex and what role did that have in the attacks and what the security situation was in this compound are questions that have not been asked publicly by republicans on the hill and we don't have answers to those. >> is this certainly something more stemming from interagency issues going back and forth about what could be talked about? we know that petraeus got on the record saying what are we talking about? >> what this document dump showed is that the cia was much more involved than we believed. the senior administration officials stressed that the talking points were changed even quite a bit within the cia before they got to the other agencies and before they got to the white house even. i think david raises a lot of good points in the cia's role. republicans were quick to rush and defend the cia in order to hurt the state department. so now the cia's role should get more scrutiny. >> it has been a wild week in washi
is the cia trying to cover it. we also now know that one of the two facilities attacked was a cia annex and what role did that have in the attacks and what the security situation was in this compound are questions that have not been asked publicly by republicans on the hill and we don't have answers to those. >> is this certainly something more stemming from interagency issues going back and forth about what could be talked about? we know that petraeus got on the record saying what are we...
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it was close hold even at the cia. it wasn't even brief to the leadership of congress. it wasn't briefed to any congressional oversight committee. one thing that troubles me is that one of the telephone records they went after were the records of the congressional correspondent of the ap. since it could not have come from congress why were they seeking the records of the congressional correspondent of the ap? >> even more than that, judge, isn't the fact that in the middle of an election year that the white house was going to have a press conference the next day on the very same thing, ap agree heed to embardot, held it for -- embargo, held it and then scooped the white house they the white house was going to scoop them. how secret was this? how much national security was on the line here? >> sounds like ripe subjects for congressional oversight. this is exactly what congressional committees are supposed to look into to find out whether executive agencies are doing their jobs properly and if not whether that is because of income p incompetenr whether additional legislat
it was close hold even at the cia. it wasn't even brief to the leadership of congress. it wasn't briefed to any congressional oversight committee. one thing that troubles me is that one of the telephone records they went after were the records of the congressional correspondent of the ap. since it could not have come from congress why were they seeking the records of the congressional correspondent of the ap? >> even more than that, judge, isn't the fact that in the middle of an election...
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the russians remain firmly on the side of president bashar assad. >> greg: it's a big deal that the cia chief fliss in israel. >> very big deal and very much related. top of john brennan's agenda when he met with the israely difference minister, would have been the transfer of weapons from syria to hezbollah, the militant group based in lebanon. that is of great concern to the israelis. that's why they carried out various strikes within syria, against those sort of weapons shipments. all of this putting a great deal of pressure on the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, as one expert, dr. joseph of the university of south carolina said to me, netanyahu cannot afford not to try to prevent the transfer of arms to hezbollah, and that probably is the key to the future of this conflict, at least in the immediate future. nobody wants a wider war here, greg, but israel has to too everything it took prevent the weapons getting across the border to hezbollah. >> greg: an important story. all right. we have an important guest. you want to stick around? >> sure. >> greg: yolanda -- i'm goin
the russians remain firmly on the side of president bashar assad. >> greg: it's a big deal that the cia chief fliss in israel. >> very big deal and very much related. top of john brennan's agenda when he met with the israely difference minister, would have been the transfer of weapons from syria to hezbollah, the militant group based in lebanon. that is of great concern to the israelis. that's why they carried out various strikes within syria, against those sort of weapons...
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why hasn't there been more focus on the -- the more we know, cia may have had more oversight over this outpost than any other agency. should there be more, should the intelligence committee, should there be more of an investigation into the cia's actions before, during and after? >> i think mr. issa's committee is not finished in that regard. i'm not a member of the intelligence committee and frankly, i'm not privy to all the conversations that go on there, but yes, the state department should be the focus of this as well as additional penetrating questions i'm glad on the house side, we have folks willing to ask the tough questions to get the facts out. >> all right, roger wicker, thanks for coming on this morning. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up, lawmakers are using words like sickening, abhorrent, to describe the latest string of military assault scandals. but first, how many sets of siblings have served sim ul tan yous ly in the senate. we know some of you folks when sander levin's on, you think carl levin. first person to tweet the correct answer gets an on air shout out. udalls a
why hasn't there been more focus on the -- the more we know, cia may have had more oversight over this outpost than any other agency. should there be more, should the intelligence committee, should there be more of an investigation into the cia's actions before, during and after? >> i think mr. issa's committee is not finished in that regard. i'm not a member of the intelligence committee and frankly, i'm not privy to all the conversations that go on there, but yes, the state department...
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you can't have lots of people around, especially if you're protecting or covering a cia facility. lots of factors here. do you think there was any way to have protected him short of him not having gone to benghazi that day? >> yes, i believe there was, and i in our report listed the shortcomings that may well have helped in that regard. this is only a guess. chris was a wonderful ambassador. chris worked for me for two years. i admired his work. he had absolutely the right concept. americans need to get out and talk to people and understand what things are happening in these countries overseas. >> yeah, i was a peace corps volunteer, too, and i think it's wonderful when these guys and women become diplomats because they don't hide in the compound and eat hamburgers and watch super bowls. they get out and meet people. you know what i mean. he wasn't a striped pants guy. i've got david corn here of "mother jones." he and i were talking, mr. ambassador. >> i have a question for you, mr. ambassador. you put out a thorough report. unclassified version. there was also a classified versi
you can't have lots of people around, especially if you're protecting or covering a cia facility. lots of factors here. do you think there was any way to have protected him short of him not having gone to benghazi that day? >> yes, i believe there was, and i in our report listed the shortcomings that may well have helped in that regard. this is only a guess. chris was a wonderful ambassador. chris worked for me for two years. i admired his work. he had absolutely the right concept....
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and then five days later they went back to the cia and the cia apparently said to them at that point we are all clear on this story but if you could hold off a day we would really appreciate it so we can kind of prep our response to the story then they decided they were going to ask, the cia said to the associated press we will give you a one hour exclusive. so we'll let you release the story an hour before we respond to it and before anybody else has it. then they came back a few minutes later and said we will do it five minutes before. at that point the a.p. said we are not going to wait a day we are going to print this thing. >> the allegation, lynn, seems to be that the associated press says now that you have told us, cia, that the national security issues have been resolved, we're not going to wait. we only waited on our story for five days because you told us national security was involved. now you say it's not. we are going to publish the story. the way the press report reads the associated press is scratching its head saying thought it was all resolved. how did it resolved in
and then five days later they went back to the cia and the cia apparently said to them at that point we are all clear on this story but if you could hold off a day we would really appreciate it so we can kind of prep our response to the story then they decided they were going to ask, the cia said to the associated press we will give you a one hour exclusive. so we'll let you release the story an hour before we respond to it and before anybody else has it. then they came back a few minutes later...
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the cia isn't commenting. it also broadcast a recording of an alleged second american spy expelled in january. details of the spy scandal have been splashed across the russian media. interfax news agency even reporting that the wigs ryan fogel wore to disguise himself are similar to wigs taken from a cia agent caught in 1986. experienced russia watchers say it's not surprising alleged spies are being unmasked, but they question, why so publicly and why now? they say it could be the cold wear hangovers, suspicions that just won't die. or an fsb warning to russians, no the to work with the u.s. or maybe the u.s. behind the scenes did something to anger moscow. but it's happening just as secretary of state john kerry and russian foreign minister are cooperating more on syria. russia is helping in the standoff with north korea. russia's fsb gave the fbi intelligence on one of the boston bombers. in the world of spying, much goes on in the shadows. one former cia officer says, it's all part of america's improved, b
the cia isn't commenting. it also broadcast a recording of an alleged second american spy expelled in january. details of the spy scandal have been splashed across the russian media. interfax news agency even reporting that the wigs ryan fogel wore to disguise himself are similar to wigs taken from a cia agent caught in 1986. experienced russia watchers say it's not surprising alleged spies are being unmasked, but they question, why so publicly and why now? they say it could be the cold wear...
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they accused him of trying to recruit a russian intelligence officer to spy for our cia. amy kellogg is keeping track of all the cloak and dagger developments live from london. >> reporter: hi, jon. we're still getting pretty much silence on the american side about this incident but an aide, jon, to russian president vladmir putin said he was surprised by the quote, crude and clumsy espionage activities of the united states and russia. in the meantime, america's ambassador to russia was summoned to the foreign ministry in moscow today where was handed a formal protest over the incident. at the same time russia's foreign minister who met with secretary of state kerry at an arctic council meeting in sweden said the subject of the spy never came up at all between the two of them. neither broached it making it less than a diplomatic incident it appeared to be yesterday. secretary kerry for his part at a news conference said he had nothing to further add about all of this with no further comment from the united states, not even a confirmation in fact the man russia named ryan
they accused him of trying to recruit a russian intelligence officer to spy for our cia. amy kellogg is keeping track of all the cloak and dagger developments live from london. >> reporter: hi, jon. we're still getting pretty much silence on the american side about this incident but an aide, jon, to russian president vladmir putin said he was surprised by the quote, crude and clumsy espionage activities of the united states and russia. in the meantime, america's ambassador to russia was...
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thanks if your time. >>> russia is saying it's arrested a covert cia operative from the u.s. trying to recruit a russian to spy. we'll bring you the details ahead in the news now. >>> new reaction this morning to actress angelina jolie's decision to have radical surgery to prevent breast cancer. some calling it a courageous choice. but is it a choice that is open to all women? we're going to look at just how expensive it potentially is for all american women out there. you're watching msnbc. we're back after this. ooood nig. here youou go. you, , too. i'm goining to dream about t that steaka. i'i'm going toto dream about thatat tiramisu.u. whwhat a nightht, huh? but, u um, can thehe test drivie be over nonow? head b back to the d dealership?p? [ mamale announcncer ] it's praractically y yours. but we stitill need yourur signaturere. volklkswagen sigign then dririe is back. anand it's nevever been eaeasir to get a a passat. that's's the powerer of german n engineerining. get $0$0 down, $0 0 due at sig, $0 depososit, anand $0 firstst month's p pt on any n new volkswawagen. vivi
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turns out according to "the washington post" that the cia has been using the same wig supplier for decades and apparently there is a specialty there they have in duplicating billy zabka's hair from the karate kid. sweep the leg, billy. hash tag you're it. we asked you earlier which sports fans deserve a reality tv show and in addition to the cheeseheads and what you would name it, agony. sums up the lakers, clippers, angels, and dodgers this year. crash landing. a show for jets fans. sd says philadelphia eagles fans need a reality show called flipping the birds. indeed. that's it for "the lead." i am jake tapper. have a great weekend. i leave you now in the capable hands of mr. wolf blitzer right next door in "the situation room." >>> thanks very much. happening now, on the hot seat. with the temperature turned all the way up. the ousted irs boss tells congress foolish mistakes not politics led to the scrutiny of conservatives. o.j. simpson is back in the public eye today. after years in prison he is making a bid for a new trial saying his ex-lawyer let him down. but wait until you hear wh
turns out according to "the washington post" that the cia has been using the same wig supplier for decades and apparently there is a specialty there they have in duplicating billy zabka's hair from the karate kid. sweep the leg, billy. hash tag you're it. we asked you earlier which sports fans deserve a reality tv show and in addition to the cheeseheads and what you would name it, agony. sums up the lakers, clippers, angels, and dodgers this year. crash landing. a show for jets fans....
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this was about the confirmation of john brennan as the new head of the cia. they moved forward with that nomination and confirmed john brennan in that position. the speaker of the house is reported to be obsessed with benghazi and the political nefits of this pursuit. >> [inaudible] >> well, hold on, i'm just doing a great prelude to the answer which is -- [laughter] preface. so the speaker of the house is obsessed with this, has made all sorts of demands, and it turns out his office wasn't provided the information, but as obsessed as he was, he didn't show up to get the briefing, but a staffer did. so he's known all along what these e-mails do and don't contain. so i think the evidence is pretty overwhelming -- >> [inaudible] >> the answer is what i've said before which is that this is as it has been consistently the case with administrations of both parties, the internal deliberations of -- alexis, shake your head and editorialize -- >> [inaudible] covering other administrations when it didn't work and the information comes out. just put it out. >> well, th
this was about the confirmation of john brennan as the new head of the cia. they moved forward with that nomination and confirmed john brennan in that position. the speaker of the house is reported to be obsessed with benghazi and the political nefits of this pursuit. >> [inaudible] >> well, hold on, i'm just doing a great prelude to the answer which is -- [laughter] preface. so the speaker of the house is obsessed with this, has made all sorts of demands, and it turns out his...
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the cia may have typed the final edits but the orders came from on high. you cannot tell a room full of journalists that when your editor tells you to strike four paragraphs from your text, and you do, there were no edits because you are the one who turned in the final copy. david, what is carney's role here and is it being characterized fairly? >> well, i think jay carney was inaccurate when he said that the state department was not involved. clearly they were. there was an interagency process that was being hon choed at the white house representing the intelligence community, state, the national security council, all contributing to these talking points and as we know from the newer e-mails david petraeus was questioning what the utility of the talking points were in the end if you were going to have all these points taken out. there's interagency fighting going on between the state department and the cia, and so there were clearly edits made. i think the argument that the white house is making is, what does it actually amount to, which may be a separate
the cia may have typed the final edits but the orders came from on high. you cannot tell a room full of journalists that when your editor tells you to strike four paragraphs from your text, and you do, there were no edits because you are the one who turned in the final copy. david, what is carney's role here and is it being characterized fairly? >> well, i think jay carney was inaccurate when he said that the state department was not involved. clearly they were. there was an interagency...